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Citadel Swamp started October 2010
Jan 26 immundus first parts
jan 28 bass stuff
feb 23 immundus second parts and first mix
feb 26 immundus second mix
feb 28 immundus third mix
march 3rd immundus fourth mix
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Conversation started July 19, 2010
Alexandre Julien
7/19, 6:23pm
Alexandre Julien
hey bruno! as youve probly read, ive just released the first album of my dark ambient band Soufferance, Vision. i was wondering if you had a few zines or blogs that you could suggest to me that also enjoyed the immundus material, because i feel they would really like my own stuff.
alex
October 27, 2010
Alexandre Julien
10/27, 4:18pm
Alexandre Julien
yes youre right about that… but it was in a deeper way that they fucked me over. some blogs asked me if they could review my material. they came up to me as fans… so i sent them review material, and they came back saying it was really good, and they would make some posts. so to thank them i would send them unreleased stuff but for them only. and some of those blogs ended up posting that unreleased material for free download on their website….
Facebook User
10/27, 4:23pm
Facebook User
oh…….thats very sneaky…..I understand the frustation very well…although I never been on that situation, I can picture it very well…….
And yes Soufferance Vision produces great music. I know…well…Mike reminded me that sometime ago you asked me about doing a split?
Alexandre Julien
10/27, 4:27pm
Alexandre Julien
oh mike… he asked me why i was jealous of you haha. this was well over a year ago… i think i had just finished the album and had left over material and wanted to do a split. i sent you a message on myspace and it ended there. part of it was probly my fault, i didnt even have a myspace or any demos up anywhere…
Facebook User
10/27, 4:32pm
Facebook User
Jealous? hehe…nothing to be jealous about lol
Yes, I really dont remember, but also I had some who wanted that, but I never been interested on splits. (nothing personal though)
I feel more enjoyable working on collaborating with other artists (creating songs together etc..), like I did on the Method Learned II release. So if you would ever be interested on something like that, never a problem:)
Alexandre Julien
10/27, 4:44pm
Alexandre Julien
ya id be interested in doing something like that… how do you usually work? you do samples first and then send it to the other to record his stuff over it?
Alexandre Julien
10/27, 4:52pm
Alexandre Julien
also, how much did your website cost you? im considering having one for Soufferance, but im not sure if its still worth it, you know with facebook and bandcamp and all the various sites that offer similar stuff.
Facebook User
10/27, 5:06pm
Facebook User
I used Ensamvarg Design services for my website as well as the myspace layout, they are professional at what they do and reliable, as for pricing im really not sure, the myspace costed me around 60 bucks but the website was more expensive, perhaps twice as much, but I would have to double check that to say it for sure. still i liked the work they did on it. I always think is worth for a project or a band to have its own place.
As for collaboration work it really depends, the way I worked with Project N.A. and Klingwall was great, we worked through layering eachother and filling the song as we came along, sending the mixes back and forward, (this last parts seems confusing but is not) hehe,
also for example if u have something on the works and I have something on the works, we can kind of try to blend it or complete eachother by adding new sections on a track…so there are many ways, normally the hard part is to kickstart….
Alexandre Julien
10/27, 5:25pm
Alexandre Julien
well i tend to work with long songs. usually its all little pieces that end up as a long song. so i have an idea with that.. we could have a collaborating song, in this way:
part 1: i do a long backing track on bass or guitar and you do your stuff over it so that you shine the most, and my stuff is background
part2: your stuff is the backing piece and i do my guitar or vocals over it to make it stand out.
we could go back and forth between parts like that as long as we want, and also potentially each parts would fade into each other. so we could chose to have 1 long track or various parts individually.
what do you think of that idea? i dont want us to settle on any “decent idea”. if we are to do a collaboration, it should be an idea that we both feel really excited about.
Alexandre Julien
10/27, 6:16pm
Alexandre Julien
i usually start myself with some sort of backing bass or effect. something like this that i made just really quick…
http://www.mediafire.com/?fp534tvwvwamn7o
Alexandre Julien
10/27, 9:07pm
Alexandre Julien
forget the last link, i recorded a better version here. i think this is what they call my “post-punk” influence… but i dont listen to post-punk so i dont know…
http://www.mediafire.com/?5ofzm718y453dby
October 28, 2010
Facebook User
10/28, 3:07pm
Facebook User
I dont know much about what post-punk is either to be honest….but the bass line is sounding nice…i can think of some ideas for something like this for example….let me know whenever you are ready for something and we take it from there….
ps. due to work and family life i work a bit slow nowadays, besides, I dont like to create music in rush, so hope ur cool is a relaxed tempo;)
cheers
Bruno
Alexandre Julien
10/28, 3:51pm
Alexandre Julien
i also found some old bass demos i was thinking of using. if you like some of them you can incorporate them into what were doing…
maybe we can start with these tracks ive sent you and see what you can do over that, and then see what i can do over that…
http://www.mediafire.com/?fen7ybnf067si8q
let me know
Facebook User
10/28, 4:00pm
Facebook User
sure…sounds like a plan…I will download the files and keep u posted on it:)
Alexandre Julien
10/28, 4:45pm
Alexandre Julien
alright cool! if you dont like the GF tracks too much, dont worry about it, they were recorded in february 2007. we can always work with new material i can record in the veins of Dementia Preacox or the first bass song i sent you.
October 30, 2010
Alexandre Julien
10/30, 1:45am
Alexandre Julien
new idea
hey man, i just had this idea… and seeing with all the time we have and the delays of releases, i think they could be a good idea for a release a year from now, for halloween 2011.
of course its just an idea because i dont know if you are a dracula fan… im a very big fan. and i was watching the first hammer filme today from 1958 and i wanted to compose a soundtrack to the film, or at least to part of the film. we could select the key moments from a specific dracula film and splice it together into a shorter movie, and compose the entire soundtrack to that shorter film.
what do you think of this idea? it wouldnt have to be a horror soundtrack, i think that our sounds together would create the proper atmosphere by itself.
October 30, 2010
Facebook User
10/30, 3:18pm
Facebook User
aha! now that sounds brilliant! yes this sounds good and also i think is nice to start something from the scratch as well:) I a big fan of Dracula myself also and this sounds like something we could definitely work on. but…um…how to get the movies?
Nevertheless, Im most interested:)
Alexandre Julien
10/30, 3:32pm
Alexandre Julien
well as far as Soufferance goes, im very anti-conventional. i dont like doing things that are the standard in media. the first EP is in mini dvd keepcase, and the full length album is a dvd sized digipack audio album… i think that with this it could be simply a digital release, and video only. because we couldnt sell the video protion. we could possibly sell the soundtrack on bandcamp or something, but the video would have to be free. i have the video on my computer and i know mike obrien is good with video editing, but i could also do it myself.
i think i will work with him on editing specific scenes from the film, and then we could compose over that.
once the music is composed we can worry more about how to release it and such…
October 30, 2010
Facebook User
10/30, 7:44pm
Facebook User
Yes. Digital release seems fine by me, understandable about the movie (copyright and so on….) but now…since you mentioned possible profits, how would we split that? or would u think as releasing it for eachother,? well…is too early anyway to think of it…either way when the time comes, let me know what u have in mind in concrete.
Must say the idea with the video is outstanding, i, unfortunately im not good on editing video despite the software I have to create quality videos, i still suck on it due to time lacking…..so I will be on hold until the video is ready then….Keep me posted
January 26, 2011
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1/26, 3:38pm
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small updates:)
hey man!
Wanted to let you know i came out with a couple of first layers. Im going to put out as mp3 and send over to you tomorrow or friday so u can have a listen and tell me what u think and if u want to take it from there then…
hope all is fine and yes…im confirmed for Septem comp. as well….nice to be back on composing..too many ideas…
Alexandre Julien
1/26, 4:39pm
Alexandre Julien
sounds good dude! ill get working on those as soon as i hear the material you send me!
January 27, 2011
Alexandre Julien
1/27, 4:41pm
Alexandre Julien
are you uploading them today?
January 28, 2011
Facebook User
1/28, 3:47pm
Facebook User
link
hey there! here is the link to the part I made..hope we can build from here..let me know what u think and dont mind the begining nor the end…fadings are not edited…..
www.immundus.net/mp3/immundussoufferance.zip
send me feedback
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Alexandre Julien
1/28, 5:39pm
Alexandre Julien
working on stuff right now. the end is cut short, is it because its going to have a fade anyway, or is this just part of a longer song?
Facebook User
1/28, 6:23pm
Facebook User
The idea was to fade it out..since is around a 5 min piece…but offcourse if you wish to prolong u can always fade it and hit in with something new:)
February 9, 2011
Facebook User
2/9, 2:37pm
Facebook User
hello there
Hi!
Wanted to stop by to let you know that I will send out the new mix up to you on friday, so u have a listen and let me know what u think. If you feel you could add some more extra on it do it, if not we let it be as it is.
Right now all i know about our collaboration is to have it released during the summer or perhaps a bit earlier, my plan is to compile a release with previous released exclusives which were only available via V/As, and put them all together on a free release. and on the other side a collection of collaboration works, either 3 or 4 songs together with you if u would like, or we stick to this song which either way will be included.
let me know how it sounds and if you would like to work on some more songs.
regards
Bruno
Alexandre Julien
2/9, 4:39pm
Alexandre Julien
are you talking about sides like vinyl?
im down to collaborate on whatever you send me dude! if you send me 10 songs, ill make stuff for all 10! i think my creative process has been great so far and very easy for me to write stuff over your material. so its totally up to you as far as how many songs you wish to collaborate on! an entire album could also work!
but a compilation of stuff could be cool as well! is this going to be a Q23 release as well?
Facebook User
2/9, 4:47pm
Facebook User
Yes, something like that, half a small compilation with the exclusives all combined and the other half we could work on a 4 songs…
I think it would be nice to create a full-lenght and send it away for free. A good way of promoting new music and our projects while working on the next full album release if you know what I mean.
That way I promote not only my music but your name as well, and if you eventually release those songs as well on one of your releases, is a good way for mutual help and promotion;)
As far as the release part, I still havent talked to Q23 about it, since is still too early but I will send him a shout about it soon enough, i think Q23 are great, so im hoping to keep staying with the label for my releases.
I have another song already on the works so I can send you a base also during this weekend. let me know if you have anything going on I could work on top of it, or if u just prefer this way we have been doing.
February 9, 2011
Alexandre Julien
2/9, 10:08pm
Alexandre Julien
hey dude. you speak portuguese?
could you tell me what he says about Soufferance in his video?
As Viagens de Gulliver (Gulliver’s Travels): Política, Filosofia e Influências.
Hoje vamos falar um pouco sobre o impacto do livro de Jonathan Swift, As Viagens de Gulliver primeiramente chamado de “Travels into Several Remote Nations of the World, in Four Parts. By Lemuel Gulliver, First a Surgeon, and then a Captain of several Ships.” Tradução Livre: “Viagens à Diversas Naçõe
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February 22, 2011
Alexandre Julien
2/22, 4:01pm
Alexandre Julien
hey man, do you still want to send me the new song and the most recent version of the first song we did?
February 23, 2011
Facebook User
2/23, 3:21pm
Facebook User
Hi! oh yes, i never send it back to you….im really sorry..this last weeks have been very unreal as there has been so much going on…i will upload the song asap and u let me know what u think about it:)
As for the new song, im still working on some changes so i can send you on friday if thats ok….
once again, im really sorry i been out of reach…
Facebook User
2/23, 3:40pm
Facebook User
hei again Alexander!
here is the link for the final version of the song.
www.immundus.net/releases/Immundus_soufferance.zip
let me know if the link worked..
I still havent sorted out a title for this song…so i will think of it on the next days as for the other song, as i mentioned on the previous msg, will send you the first layers on friday:)
Alexandre Julien
2/23, 5:04pm
Alexandre Julien
well, i always like long titles, so here is an option: “The Magical Number Seven, Plus or Minus Two: Some Limits on Our Capacity for Processing Information”. you can google that to read about what it means haha. i will download the song when i get home tonight.
February 24, 2011
Alexandre Julien
2/24, 7:45pm
Alexandre Julien
honestly, i feel like my bass tracks are very buried in the mix you made. i can hardly hear them at all, and for some parts of the songs, its completely inaudible. with all the layers you added, which are good, there isnt much space left for me to add anything else. so would it be possible to make my tracks stand out a bit more?
but as a whole i think the song sounds great. i hope youre not offended by any of my “requests”.
February 25, 2011
Facebook User
2/25, 2:59pm
Facebook User
not a problem..will work on it:)
February 26, 2011
Facebook User
2/26, 3:38pm
Facebook User
here is the new mix..let me know what u think.
www.immundus.net/mp3/Immundus_soufferance.zip
Still working on a title….
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February 28, 2011
Alexandre Julien
2/28, 12:22am
Alexandre Julien
hey dude. it sounds like you took off the whole new layer? i liked the layer, i think it fitted quite well, only that my bass tracks were a little low in the mix. could we possibly do something in between? haha
February 28, 2011
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2/28, 4:00pm
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hey man! ye…went back to the mix, was a bit to low, but not the new layer…i made a new mix now. the link is the same as above but is a new mix….not titles and no info, just the mix…let me know what u think of it. Been having crazy days here, so my focus have been a bit elsewhere, but now i think it came out as it should. Let me know abou it.
March 3, 2011
Facebook User
3/3, 5:12pm
Facebook User
here is the final master,
let me know about it
www.immundus.net/mp3/immundus_soufferance.zip
Alexandre Julien
3/3, 6:20pm
Alexandre Julien
hey dude. it sounds great. there are a few “pops” around 0:20, but maybe they are intentional?
I was also thinking that, since this is only going to be a small collaboration, of only a few song rather than an album, i would prefer to simply be credited as Virkelix, my artist name, rather than Soufferance as a band. So when you post the album only, i assume you will be adding a (featuring Virkelix) or something with the song?
My first encounters with Immundus were through out 2009. First when he was signed to Hypnotic Dirge Records, and then when he was featured on the same compilation as Soufferance, Alone with the Rain. I read up a bit on the band, and he had self proclaimed himself as a big band. He had given the impression of being a superstar and that everyone was demanding his music. So I decided I would contact him about doing a split or a collaboration. I felt I could benefit from his influences.
The first few emails I sent to him he never responded. It wasn’t until a whole year later I was signed to Quartier23 that he decided I was worth his time. He was also signed to the label. He sent me a message asking to collaborate. The first thing we discussed was doing a full length album for a soundtrack to a movie. We were going to make a soundtrack for Dracula. i was going to make a mix of various scenes of all the Christopher Lee films into a long film.
It took a few months until he finally sent me something to work with. On January 28th 2011 he sent me a backing track that I would compose over. I did an entire bass piece, and sent it back to him to mixing. He sent it back to me a week later completely buried in, hardly audible. I had to mix it myself to get something decent, but he never approved of my version and preferred his own where my parts were hardly important. He then told me that he didn’t want to use our collaboration on a full length album anymore and he would only include it on a digital compilation of already released material, with this being the only unreleased piece on it. I really felt that he was pushing my work in a corner and not giving a shit about it.
Mike O’Brien did a music video for Immundus sometime around then and he asked me his opinion. I told him it was pretty average, because I didn’t like the movie that was used in the video. It was a film that was used in a load of videos already, so it wasn’t original. Immundus got completely pissed off and blocked me off facebook, and started talking shit about me to the Quartier23 crew. And so ended my collaboration with him and the label.
I decided to beat him to the punch and give the song for free on the digital version of “Bonjour Tristesse”. I named the song “A Nightmare Ends” in significance to Immundus’ asshole personality and of the end of the collaboration with him and the record label.
old YouTube link [http://youtu.be/gZnbPmStzvA]
On July 27th, 2011, I once again had an idea of using the name of Immundus for additional promotion. I decided to do a quick music video for the song we collaborated on with footage from one of my favorite film noirs “Murder, My Sweet”. It was very quickly made, but it’s only purpose was to shed additional light on Soufferance. Immundus however posted accusations on his personal website saying that I had stolen a work in progress song he had shared with me and added some cheap stolen sounds over it. This complaint was taken to Youtube, who removed the music video I had made and also temporarily blocked my account. This would also set me back from releasing further Soufferance material, during the cassette tape mission.